This Isn't Worship... (2023)


The problem with Hillsong, Elevation, and Bethel worship. With Voddie Baucham, John MacArthur, Paul Washer, and Steven Furtick.

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This is what he said: wow those people really care for you.

Let's consider this question.

If someone says wow, those people can worship what comes to your mind, what you immediately think of about those people who were just identified as wow those people can worship most likely.

The image that immediately comes to mind is an image of people worshiping at a hillsong bethel or elevation church concert or worship service or a similar event where the music is exciting and people are experiencing extreme emotion, perhaps even jumping up and down.

Usually we talk about the volume of their singing, the emotion that they exhibit the passion that we see from them or the style that we see from them, usually we're referring to these these externals or when we say wow that really was spirit-filled worship, again: volume, emotion, external experiences, external appearances for many mega churches and churches.

It's when the music begins that the holy spirit really arrives.

It's at a time when the light show is most impressive.

The fog machine is at full blast.

The music is the loudest and the people are most excited in jumping up and down that the spirit's presence is the fullest and mightiest, but is there a problem with manipulating an emotional response from the audience with external factors such as lights, fog, machines and emotional music? But is that what worship is the answer? That you've already heard is a resounding? No music is not worship, they're, not synonymous, music is music and worship is worship, but typically you hear people to say today say we're going to worship and then immediately that is essentially defined by music, although there certainly are elements of true worship- and there are true worshipers during these kinds of meticulously crafted worship experiences.

The truth is that the idea of using external elements, like lights, fog and planning, an order of songs to lead worshipers on an emotional journey, is a man-centered way to craft a worship experience that is not rooted upon biblical truth, but rather upon emotional manipulation.

But it's exactly this kind of emotional manipulation using flashing lights.

That really have nothing to do with worship that countless churches and christians gravitate towards, because it looks and feels impressive and powerful.

Even many churches that are otherwise solid biblically have been deceived into thinking that this is the right way to do.

Worship but the truth be told when we look at our our word of faith friends or when we look at people who are out there on the fringes of this or that and we see their faces contorted and we see the tears and we see the sweat dripping down and their bodies heaving all over the place.

The tendency, even though we've come to believe what the bible says about worship, is to look at that and say wow.

Those people really can worship more often than not.

The churches that put on these impressive emotional, powerful worship experiences have teachings that are full of falsehood.

For example, stephen furtick at elevation church has a terrible, if not heretical view of human nature and the process of discipleship is not god changing you into something else.

It's him revealing who you've been all along brian houston? Has a book called? You need more money, new from pastor brian houston money, there's not one person in this building who doesn't need more money, and if you say well, I don't need more money.

Then I would say you have a very poor outlook on life.

You'll learn why you need more money.

Poor does not have to be permanent.

All the answers here you say: well, you know how do you know that? Because why would the scripture say let the poor say I am rich if it wasn't the will of god to break the power of poverty over people's life and bill johnson of bethel church teaches that jesus emptied himself of his divinity while he was here on earth.

Do you know that jesus so restricted his function on earth that he actually couldn't heal anyone yet for some reason, these are the examples of how to do worship that most churches are gravitating towards mired in falsehood, often devoid of truth, mimicking, pagan rituals, and when we see it, our response is wow.

Those people really can worship.

Christians will even leave very solid churches to go to much less solid churches simply because other churches have more exciting worship, experiences, it's the person who comes and says preacher.

I just want you to know.

We have grown more at this church than in any other place that we've ever been, but we're just really looking for a little something more from the worship, and so they will go to a place where they will get nothing near the spiritual nourishment from the word so that they can go every sunday and say wow.

These people really can't worship.

There is a brokenness there.

The truth is that, while singing is certainly an important part of worship, we need to recognize that singing is not at all the main point of worship, as many churches presented as if I had to give you a title tonight, it would be.

Our worship is about so much more than the songs we sing.

Our worship is about so much more than the songs we sing.

Hallelujah praise the lord.

Our worship is about so much more than the songs.

We sing it's clear from this text.

Oftentimes, the worship service looks more like a performance than real worship.

If you like this video subscribe to help spread the truth, the worship leaders are performing as they sing and the audience is performing and acting the way the worship leaders are leading them to act, raising their hands, jumping up and down their emotions being led by the flow and intensity of the music.

We often look at worship as performance, and there are a couple of ways that we look at worship and especially when we gather and when we sing there are a couple of things that we're trying to do we're either trying to appease god or we're trying to manipulate him for many.

Their thinking is that if they act spiritual enough, if they perform enough during the worship experience, then god will be pleased and will therefore bless them in some way.

But there are other circles out there who gather together in worship and just like the pagans, do they try to manipulate god? If I can just be loud enough, if I can just cry enough, if I can just sweat enough, if I can beat myself and bleed enough, then perhaps perhaps god will hear- and I will manipulate god into giving me what I want and he will look down and he will say you know what you I see you.

You did a good job.

What can I do for you, but in ephesians 5, where paul talks about psalms, hymns and spiritual songs, the context is overwhelmingly about worshiping god with our minds and intellect, rather than being led by music and other external factors in an emotional worship.


Here's what's amazing, listen to how many times he references, some intellectual idea, no longer walkers gentiles doing the futility of their minds.

They are darkened in their understanding.

This is not turning off your mind in order to engage with god in worship.

This is engaging your mind in order to engage with god in worship.

We miss this.

The the problem is not the newness, because if it is, then our old hymns at one time were new right right.

The problem is the lack of theological content.

That's the great problem.

The reason why most christians associate worship more with emotion than with scriptural teaching and engaging the mind is because of an unbiblical view of the holy spirit as a force, rather than as a person like the father and the son.

So the spirit is most present when the emotion is highest, not when spiritual truth is being proclaimed.

We miss this and we miss this because of our poor understanding.

Of who the spirit is, we see the spirit as a force and not a person, and we think that being spiritual means.

Turning off your mind, this view of the holy spirit leads countless christians to prefer spontaneity and mysticism over careful study of the word of god.

They want something exciting something new something emotional, rather than straightforward, expository preaching from the word of god, but we do.

We believe this, don't we I've said it before if you want to get an audience on the edge of their seats as a preacher, here's what you do you stand up and say: listen! I was going to preach sermon a but just before.

I came up here.

The lord just said no, this is what you preached to that people we about to get it now holy ghost bout to bust out up in this place, now boy hours and hours in the text praying and pouring over it, but you stand up and say throwing that away and got something new for you and people believe now now we're gonna meet the spirit now he's gonna show up.

Another problem with modern worship experiences is that it allows professing christians to appear very spiritual while they lift up their hands and jump up and down, even if their lives are filled with sin and love of the world.

In countless youth groups, the youth love watching movies, they shouldn't be watching, they love celebrities who are terrible examples and they engage in inappropriate relationships, but they lift up their hands and jump up and down when the music is exciting, so they and everyone else think they are right with god.

But another reason.

Another reason that we want to reduce the idea of worship to the songs we sing and how we sing them is because that's a whole lot easier.

If I can divorce my life from my singing, that's a lot easier if I could have absolutely no communion with god whatsoever, but just really enjoy loud, emotional, vibrant singing.

I can do that if I am a rebel who does not want to submit to anyone, but I just can't resist a good, powerful worship set.

That's easy, because I can, on the one hand, call myself a worshiper, an exemplary worshiper and, on the other hand, not have to amend my life at all, because churches so often equate emotion with worship, countless audience.

Members think they are worshiping simply because they feel a lot of emotion when the reality is that they do not understand god and have not truly submitted to god.

If I'm just here for the experience, I can sing songs that completely contradict the truth of god's word, and I'm okay, I mean.

If the beat is right and the band is hot, I can sing all kind of lies and feel like I've met with god.

True christian worship has absolutely nothing to do with the volume of the music or with emotion, crafted by lights, fog, machines and the transition from exciting songs to slower songs, true christian worship, centers around the truth of god's word and singing the truth of god's word.

This is not dependent on volume.

It won't be dependent upon emotion.

Here's one thing that I have come to understand when I recognize this theological reality: the kind of worship that many of these modern worshipers would consider dead or spiritless worship may actually be far more god, honoring and worshipful, but the most exciting and emotional moment in any elevation, hillsong or bethel worship, service or concert.

I may not look like the pagans with sweat beating down off of their face and I may not look like them with their convulsions and I may not sound like them with their animalistic sounds coming out of me.

But that does not mean that I can't or don't have a deeply meaningful and in many ways more emotional connection to the god who saved me and redeemed me and with whom I commune in worship because of the person and work of christ.

Who redeemed me.


Where does voddie baucham preach? ›

Voddie Baucham wears many hats. He is a husband, father, pastor, author, professor, conference speaker and church planter. He currently serves as Pastor of Preaching at Grace Family Baptist Church in Spring, TX.

What is the true meaning of worship? ›

1. : reverence offered a divine being or supernatural power. also : an act of expressing such reverence. 2. : a form of religious practice with its creed and ritual.

What are the 3 types of worship? ›

Types of worship. The forms and types of worship are extraordinarily rich and varied. Three types may be distinguished: corporate exclusive worship; corporate inclusive worship; and personal worship.

What are the 4 types of worship? ›

There are four main types of worship that Christians can engage in:
  • Liturgical worship.
  • Non-liturgical worship.
  • Informal worship.
  • Private worship.

Is voddie a Calvinist? ›

Theology. Baucham is Reformed in his theology, and subscribes to the 1689 Baptist Confession of Faith. He calls himself a "fire-breathing, TULIP believing, five-point Calvinist." Baucham appeared in the 2019 Netflix documentary American Gospel: Christ Crucified speaking in favor of penal substitutionary atonement.

What religion is Reformed Theological Seminary? ›

RTS has largely served the Presbyterian Church in America since that denomination's founding in 1973, then later the Evangelical Presbyterian Church and the Associate Reformed Presbyterian Church and in more recent years serves a large population of students from Particular Baptist and independent churches.

What are the 7 keys of worship? ›

Seven Words of Worship combines biblical truth, practical application, and inspiring real life stories to clarify the reader's understanding and living out of w orship, focusing the spiritual practice on seven key words: Creation; Grace; Love; Response; Expression; Presence; Experience.

What do Baptists not do? ›

Baptists do not believe that a loving God condemns anyone for a sin they did not commit. Baptists do not view baptism as a remedy for original sin. Baptists do not baptize infants. Baptists practice baptism by totally immersing persons in water, rather than by sprinkling, pouring, or anointing persons with water.

What kind of worship pleases God? ›

Whole-life worship is the kind that pleases God. "let us continually offer to God a sacrifice of praise and do not forget to do good and to share with others, for with such sacrifices God is pleased (Hebrews 13:15, 16 NIV).

What are the 5 acts of worship? ›

“Five Acts Of Worship”
  • Teaching/Preaching (1 Cor 4:17)
  • Singing (Eph 5:19)
  • Prayer (Acts 12:5)
  • Taking A Collection – Sunday only (1 Cor 16:1-2)
  • Lord's Supper – Sunday only (Acts 20:7)
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What is the most important form of worship? ›

5) Serving Others. This is arguably the most important form of true worship. The biggest commandment we are called to follow is to love God, and love others. One of the easiest ways for us to love others is to serve them with loving acts.

Does the Bible say to worship? ›

Bible Verses in the New Testament about Worship

For it is written, You shall worship the Lord your God and him only shall you serve.

What is the scripture of true worship? ›

John 4:22-24 “You worship what you do not know… But the hour is coming, and is now here, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for the Father is seeking such people to worship him. God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth."

How does the Bible define worship? ›

Worship as Homage or Grateful Submission to God

The most common word for “worship” literally means “bend over” or “bow down.” It describes a gesture of respect or submission to human beings, to God, or to idols (e.g., Genesis 18:2, Exodus 20:4 – 6).

Are Baptists Calvinists? ›

The Particular Baptists adhered to the doctrine of a particular atonement—that Christ died only for an elect—and were strongly Calvinist (following the Reformation teachings of John Calvin) in orientation; the General Baptists held to the doctrine of a general atonement—that Christ died for all people and not only for ...

Are Baptists Arminian or Calvinist? ›

Arminianism is found within the General Baptists, including the subset of General Baptists known as Free Will Baptists. The majority of Southern Baptists accept Arminianism, with an exception allowing for a doctrine of eternal security, though many see Calvinism as growing in acceptance.

What churches use Calvinist beliefs? ›

Reformed churches
  • Continental Reformed churches.
  • Congregational churches.
  • Presbyterian churches.
  • Reformed Anglicanism.
  • Reformed Baptist churches.

What churches believe in reformed theology? ›

Reformed Christianity Includes Many of the Most Widely-Recognized Churches
  • Presbyterian Church USA.
  • Reformed Church in America.
  • United Church of Christ.
  • Evangelical Presbyterian Church.
  • Cumberland Presbyterian Church.
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Is the Reformed church conservative? ›

The Christian Reformed Church is a conservative body that maintains an orthodox interpretation of its doctrinal standards, the Heidelberg Catechism (1562), the Belgic Confession (1561), and the canons of Dort (1618–19). The theology and polity are Calvinist.

Do Reformed churches believe in the Trinity? ›

Beliefs. Like other Christians, members of Reformed churches believe in the Trinity (meaning the three). This is the idea that three figures are united in one God: God the Father, God the Son (Jesus), and God the Holy Spirit.

How can I speak in tongues? ›

If you desire to speak in tongues, pray this: Lord Jesus, Fill me with your Spirit. Lord Jesus, baptize me into your Holy Spirit. Begin to release the sounds that come not from your mind, but from your spirit, and continue in prayer.

What are the four requirements of pure worship? ›

Isaiah 6 reveals at least four elements of what worship is:
  • Worship is wonderment. As Isaiah enters the presence of God, he is awestruck by God's majesty and holiness. ...
  • Worship is transformative. In his experience of God's presence, Isaiah sees who he really is – a sinner. ...
  • Worship is renewing. ...
  • Worship is decentering.
Aug 10, 2015

What are the 9 forms of worship? ›

These are, shravana, kirtana, smarana, pada-sevana, archana, vandana, dasya, sakhya and atma-nivedana.

Why can't Baptists dance? ›

Various Christian groups believe that dancing is either inherently sinful or that certain forms of dancing could lead to sinful thoughts or activities, and thus proscribe it either in general or during religious services, particularly in the Anabaptist (chiefly Conservative Anabaptist and Old Order Anabaptist ...

Why don't Baptists pray to Mary? ›

Baptists “honor Mary as the mother of Jesus Christ” but consider the “communion of saints as primarily a present reality among Christians,” and don't pray to Mary or “deceased Christians lest such infringe the sole mediatorship of Jesus Christ.”

What religion is Baptist closest to? ›

Baptists form a major branch of Protestantism distinguished by baptizing only professing Christian believers (believer's baptism), and doing so by complete immersion.

What is true worship to God? ›

In contrast to vain worship, true worship is any and every expression of obedience, praise, honor, adoration, and gratitude offered to the true God by a regenerate soul who knows the truth about God and loves him.

What is the one thing that pleases God? ›

When we put our faith in Jesus as our Savior, we are pleasing God. Hebrews 11:6 says, “But without faith it is impossible to please him.” Faith comes from the heart (Rom.

How does God want us to worship him? ›

Furthermore, with reference to worship, what matters is what God desires, not what we desire. After all, God is God, and we are not. In worshipping Him — our great King and dear Savior — our concern must always be to please Him, not to please ourselves or to please others.

What was Jesus greatest act of worship? ›

This is why the cross is the ultimate act of worship. In perfect obedience, Jesus sacrificed His priceless life for His friends and for the Glory of the Father.

What are 2 examples of worship? ›

Worship is any act that shows devotion to or love for God. Christians worship in many ways, including prayer , reading from the Holy Bible , attending the Eucharist and singing religious songs.

What is the most important act of worship in Christianity? ›

The Holy Eucharist was the central act of worship in early Christianity.

What is the best prayer to praise God? ›

Father, I thank You today for the gift of praise. Thank you for revealing Yourself to me through Your Word, by Your Spirit, and in Your creation, that I might stand in awe of You. You alone are worthy of praise and glory and honor, for You have created all things, that in all things You might be preeminent.

What is the purpose of worship? ›

Worship is adoration. “Ascribe to the LORD the glory due his name; worship the LORD in the splendor of holiness (Psalm 29:2 NIV).” Adoring God means you're ascribing worthiness to God for who he is and for what he has done. The purpose of true worship is to serve and adore God.

What is the simplest way to say thanks to God? ›

A Simple Prayer of Gratitude

Thank you, Lord, for the blessings you have bestowed on my life. You have provided me with more than I could ever have imagined. You have surrounded me with people who always look out for me. You have given me family and friends who bless me every day with kind words and actions.

What makes a good worship? ›

Finally, good worship is planned worship. The degree to which those that lead worship are able to pray together for God's guidance, explore a theme or text, share ideas and resources, and make content decisions together, and when necessary practice together, will portend whether not the worship is good.

What is the highest form of worship in the Bible verse? ›

The highest form of worship in our Saviour's culture and according to God's Word is not prayer or singing, but rather to study His Word. Study, therefore, is when we learn to hear from God and when He speaks to us—whereby when we pray, we are doing the speaking.

What is the basic of worship? ›

The basic function of worship—the establishment and maintenance of the relation between human beings and the holy—includes many facets. The relation between the holy and the earthly has, however, a noteworthy ambivalence.

Who preaches at Thomas Road Baptist Church? ›

Rev. Jonathan Falwell is senior pastor of Thomas Road Baptist Church in Lynchburg, Virginia.

What study Bible does Voddie Baucham use? ›

KJV Study Bible: http://www.tbsbibles. I have the RHSB and absolutely love it!!!

Where does pastor Bobby Chandler preach? ›

Bobby Chandler is the founder and lead pastor of Authentic Church. Since 2018 Authentic Church has not only reached the community of Hickory, NC for the gospel but also all over the world.

What seminary did Voddie Baucham attend? ›

Dr. Voddie Baucham (D. Min)

He holds degrees from Houston Baptist University (BA in Christianity/BA in Sociology), Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary (M. Div.), Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary (D.

What is a Baptist pastor called? ›

The term "pastor", in the majority of Baptist churches, is one of two offices within the church, deacon being the other, and is considered synonymous with "elder" or "bishop" (though in Reformed Baptist churches, elders are a separate office).

What denomination is Thomas Road Baptist Church? ›

Thomas Road Baptist Church
CountryUnited States
AssociationsBaptist Bible Fellowship International Southern Baptist Convention
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What are the beliefs of the Thomas Road Baptist Church? ›

We affirm our belief in one God, infinite Spirit, creator, and sustainer of all things, who exists eternally in three persons, God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. These three are one in essence but distinct in person and function.

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